Acts of Volition

Comments

Nick Burka -

So Steve, what exactly is the catch 22 in the IM protocols? Why can Fedora Core come installed with ICQ/MSN/AIM whereas MP3 isn't supported for music apps? Are these protocols somehow more open than the MP3 - i.e. does gaim/trillian/miranda/whatever have to pay licensing fees to support these protocols?

Steven Garrity -

Good question Nick - this wasn't clear because I didn't do a good job of expressing it.

It is true that open-source apps haven't has as much trouble from proprietary IM services as has been the case in the multimedia world. However, the catch-22 of open IM protocols is still similar: people will use the music format that their favourite songs are available in, and people will use the IM protocol that their friends use.

If it weren't for the bridging applications that allow me to use both Jabber and other closed protocols, it would be almost impossible to switch to Jabber - but it's still tough to get anyone to switch without having everyone else switch first (that's the catch-22).

Perhaps in this case, though, the catch-22 isn't any worse than it would be for any new IM protocol (open or otherwise).

Martin Alderson -

Are you aware Steven that many of the relay servers you mentioned also support relaying to MSN, AIM and Yahoo?

So it's very possible to just have one Jabber client and you can add all your friends who use MSN/AIM/Yahoo via a special prefix on the end which the server understands and opens a connection to the AIM/MSN or Yahoo central servers to pass your message on (and in reverse to receive messages). The only problem is that it doesn't support basically anything other than basic text chat on other services, so when your friend tries to send you a photo over msn or AIM it'll just not work.

Leo Faoro -

Hello,

Well, now even Skype is an IM platform as well. I am quite please with the features with Skype's IM, in addition to the already great voice component. I wish I could have plugings for Skype so it's client would support other IM networks.

regards,
Leo

David -

Re: Businesses running their own Jabber server.

It is even easier for businesses to say "everyone here uses [IM protocol of choice]". If you are worried about security, Rendevous will work w/o any central server, one less thing for Mr. Ops Guy to worry about (at our company of 12, our ops guy is ridiculously busy).

starvingartist -

From my experiences, I'm surprised at how naturally my circle of friends have switched to various IM services. As a long time ICQ user, I saw many of my ICQ friends switch over to MSN. Most of my relatives overseas have now switched over to Yahoo.

While I agree it's a catch-22, there was still something that was able to get a few friends to jump ship and join an alternative IM service, even if it meant starting over with a blank slate. I still don't know anyone using Jabber, but already, a few friends have started to join the Skype bandwagon, so it's not totally insurmountable.

Neil T. -

I am impressed that you have no MSN contacts. Although I use Trillian and have signins on AOL, ICQ, MSN, Yahoo and Jabber, the vast majority of my contacts use MSN. I think there's only one or two people I talk to regularly who don't use it.

Tomasz Sterna -

Note about Skype.
It's fine. It does wonders with voice communication. Sure.

But it's still proprietary.
What happens if one day Skype owners decide that from now on you have to pay the fee/royalty to use the network? You're stuck with the fee or have to switch to another network. Ergo - using Skype you're not free.